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Trauma-Informed NeuroDiverse Couple's Work with Dr. Harry Motro

Join Stephanie and Dan as they talk with Dr. Harry Motro of NeuroDiverse Couples’ Counseling Center. Today the topic is trauma, shame cycles, breaking negative cycles, and building healthy communication. Dr. Motro explains more about attachment and the importance of understanding the hurts and needs of others in order to heal from past wounds.
About Dr. Motro in his own words:
Being married for 38 years and having raised children to adulthood, I have certainly made my fair share of mistakes and have learned how to turn that into growth. My work with you is built upon decades of real-life experience, not just textbook knowledge.
I use scientifically-validated psychotherapy techniques for couples which have been proven effective through decades of research with thousands of couples. My core approach is built on Emotion-Focused Therapy-EFT with components of the Gottman Method, Internal Family Systems, and Imago Therapy added in when it is helpful.

How to find Dr. Motro:

The cycle graph Dr. Motro mentioned is found at:

Guests are recognized for their expertise on autism as an advocate, self-advocate, clinicians, parents, or other professionals in the field. They may or may not be part of the faith community; having a guest on the broader topic of autism does not reflect complete agreement with the guest, just as many guests may disagree with our faith perspective. Guests are chosen by topic for the chosen podcast discussion and are not necessarily in full agreement with all beliefs of the chosen guest(s).

“Why is Sense of Safety Important?” with Dr. Johanna Lynch

Join Dr. Stephanie Holmes and Dr. Johanna Lynch as they talk about childhood traumatic events or adverse childhood events and their effects on development. Dr. Stephanie and Dr. Johanna will talk about the need for safety, and Dr. Johanna will define safety and safe attachments. She will distinguish Domestic Violence and Domestic Silence (neglect/emotional disconnection) and talk about the negative effects on either for children or adults.
While today does not talk about NT or ND, this sets the stage for other podcasts on the topic of trauma and safety.

About Dr. Johanna Lynch:
Dr. Johanna Lynch is a GP psychotherapist and senior lecturer with The University of Queensland’s General Practice Clinical Unit. She has spent the last 15 years of her 25-year career as a GP caring for adults who are survivors of childhood trauma and neglect. This practical clinical work of being with those in our community who are often marginalized, misunderstood, and categorized with multiple mental health diagnoses has led her to search for approaches to the whole person that is applicable across disciplines. She has pioneered approaches that actively work against the fragmentation caused by trauma. She is a clinical advisor to a domestic and family violence program with Brisbane South PHN and to Blue Knot Foundation and is president of the Australian Society for Psychological Medicine, which educates, supports, and champions GPs and allied health providers who offer complex whole-person care. Her Ph.D., entitled Sense of Safety: a whole person approach to distress in primary care, sought to integrate trauma-informed care into primary care approaches to the whole person. Her clinical and academic work champions the sophisticated craft of generalism – integrating social science and biomedicine. Her work has received international acclaim from primary care researchers as a paradigm change in approaches to people in distress. It integrates lived experience and Indigenous wisdom with transdisciplinary scientific insights from trauma, attachment, social determinants of health, neurobiology, psychophysiology, and psychoneuroimmunology. This work has been published in a peer-reviewed academic book: A Whole Person Approach to Wellbeing: Building Sense of Safety (2021).


When we have guests on the ASR podcast, they are recognized for their expertise on autism as an advocate, self-advocate, clinicians, parents, or other professionals in the field. They may or may not be part of the faith community; having a guest on the broader topic of autism does not reflect complete agreement with the guest, just as many guests may not agree with our faith perspective. Guests are chosen by topic for the chosen podcast discussion and are not necessarily in full agreement with all beliefs of the chosen guest(s).

Escaping Enemy Mode with Dr. Jim Wilder

Dan and Stephanie set this podcast up with their podcast on Jan 2nd. You will want to review this podcast before you hear today’s podcast on escaping enemy mode.

NDCC’s are easily dragged into enemy mode- simple enemy mode, stupid enemy mode and intellectual enemy mode. Our brains can unite or divide us. Join us for this discuss with Dr. Jim Wilder.
You will want to go back and hear our podcast “Are you in your right mind?” which sets the stage for this conversation.
Today we will talk about how those on the autism spectrum due to neurological wiring are more easily dragged into enemy mode. BUT we will also talk about JOY and how to to escape enemy mode to refriend and rebuild attachment/joy.

About Dr. Wilder:
Dr. Jim Wilder has been training leaders and counselors for over 30 years on five continents. Jim grew up in South America and is bilingual (English/Spanish). He is the author of nineteen books with a strong focus on maturity and relational skills. Dr. Wilder has served as a guest lecturer at Fuller Seminary, Biola, Talbot Seminary, Point Loma University, Montreat College, Tyndale Seminary and elsewhere.

Dr. Jim Wilder has extensive clinical counseling experience and is the chief neurotheologian of Life Model Works, a nonprofit working at the intersection of theology and brain science. Life Model Works builds on the fifty-year legacy of Shepherd’s House, which began in the 1970s as a ministry to street kids in Van Nuys, California.

In those early days, Jim worked with the team of volunteer counselors and Fuller Seminary faculty to build a counseling center to help broken people recover from negative habits, addictions, abuse, and trauma. By the 1990s, Jim was Assistant Director and later Executive Director of Shepherd’s House, helping hundreds of pastors and churches with their toughest counseling cases.

Jim was intimately involved in 1987 when Shepherd’s House conducted a careful review of why some people with the same level of trauma and treatment recovered but others did not. The results of this case-by-case study became The Life Model, a new recovery model. The Life Model study findings were published in Living from the Heart Jesus Gave You.

System Failures- We Need to Work Together w Dr. Brandon Clarke

Dr. Holmes interviews Dr. Clarke on working within systems. Listen in as Dr. Brandon Clarke focuses on the levers to behavior change and emphasizes the barriers to implementing educational and therapeutic interventions from an interdisciplinary perspective. Solutions for these barriers are discussed and recommendations are made to address these barriers when collaborating with other professionals.
Brandon Clark is a Board Certified Behavior Analyst. He is the clinical director at Springbrook Behavioral Hospital. He has a doctorate degree in psychology with an emphasis in industrial/organizational theory. He enjoys implementing behavior strategies to improve system-based processes and make organizational advancements.

Are You in Your Right Mind?

In preparing for the interview coming up this month with neurotheologian, Dr. Jim Wilder, Dan and Stephanie walk through some foundational information that is necessary to grasp the material to be discussed with Dr. Wilder fully.

In our discussion with Dr. Wilder, we will be discussing his new book, Escaping Enemy Mode. Today’s podcast discusses two of his other books and what Dan and Stephanie are gleaning from them for ND Christian Couples. The books mentioned today are Rare Leadership & The Other Half of Church. What is necessary for interpersonal and intrapersonal growth? According to Wilder, it is joy, hesed, group identity, and healthy correction. What does all this mean for NDCCs? Join us for the discussion.

Becoming an Emotionally Safe Man with Andrew Bauman

Usually, Stephanie and Dan interview our guests together on NDCC, but today Dr. Holmes interviews Andrew J. Bauman on “Becoming a good and safe man.” Andrew outlines points from his book with the same title on what to do if your spouse has come to you and said she feels abused or traumatized, or emotionally abandoned. We also speak about the damage porn does to the person struggling with porn use and the damage to the spouse and marriage.

About Andrew:
Andrew J. Bauman, Co-Founder & Director of the Christian Counseling Center: For Sexual Health & Trauma (CCC), Andrew J. Bauman is a licensed mental health counselor with a Master of Arts in Counseling Psychology from The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology. He spent 10 years studying under and working alongside Dr. Dan Allender. Andrew is the author of Floating Away, Stumbling Toward Wholeness, The Psychology of Porn, and (with his wife, Christy) A Brave Lament.

You can find his work and blogs at:

Jim Ball – Proactive Strategies for Positive Change

Join Dr. Homes as she interviews Dr. Ball.
This show with Dr. James Ball will discuss the 7 evidence-based strategies described in his book, “Early Intervention: Real-Life Questions; Real Life Answers,” proven to be the most effective in teaching students and adults with an autism spectrum disorder. It will focus on the teaching of specific skills, reducing challenging behaviors, and building an effective program as outlined in the book “You Can’t Make Me: Proactive Strategies for Positive Behavioral Change.” It will guide the participant, step by step, through the process of implementing these 7 evidence-based strategies in a school-based or adult services program. Real-life examples will be used. Modifications will be explored that allow this particular program to be effective with students significantly challenged with autism, as well as those students with Asperger’s Syndrome. Because of the nature of the presentation, a question-and-answer period will be provided.

Dr. James Ball, a Board Certified Behavior Analyst-Doctoral, is the President/Chief Executive Officer of JB Autism Consulting. He has been in the field of autism for over thirty years providing behavioral, educational, residential, and employment services to children and adults affected by autism. He provides private consultation to organizations, schools, and families regarding staff training, parent training, home support services, classroom design/support, functional behavior assessment, and behavior management.

His book is on Amazon.

Dan & Stephanie Talk Holidays and Gifts in NDCC's

Dan is celebrating a birthday this month, or maybe better said, having a birthday this month.

Does Dan like to celebrate holidays?
How do we see celebrations and gifts differently?

Gifts and celebrations are a constant pain point in the NDCC. Listen in as Dan and Stephanie talk about December celebrations and what they learned about each other over the years when it comes to gifts and celebration times. Spoiler alert- Dan is not big on celebrations!

Jeanetta Bryant

Join Dr. Stephanie Holmes as she talks to Jeanetta Bryant.

Jeanetta Bryant is the Founder and Executive Director of Abilities Workshop, Inc. She is dedicated to helping special needs families find answers and children impacted by a special needs diagnosis be their best. Jeanetta is an author, developer, and advocate. As a mom of two children, one with ASD, she finds no greater joy than watching them develop and achieve their dreams. Her interests include family time at home or at a theme park, college football, and making memories.


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