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Today, Dan and Stephanie interview Jon Seidl, author of Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic. Neurodivergent men are 9 times more likely than their non-neurodivergent peers to develop an alcohol or substance use/abuse problem. The later in life diagnosed neurodivergent man (with ADHD or ASD) with a co-occurring issue of anxiety and or depression is the most vulnerable to alcohol or substance use, and the risk is higher for those who have suffered untreated childhood trauma. Hear our heart- this is not about shaming or blaming, this is about your healing and being set free! Jon talks about getting to the root of the problem: “Drinking is not the problem to solve- the unresolved issue that leads you to drinking is the problem to solve.” As Leslie Vernick has said, “Drinking is not a marriage work issue. It is an individual issue that causes marriage problems.”
Dan and Stephanie feel passionately that marriage work should not be the focus of a couple if there is an active alcohol or substance issue.
For the last 15 years, Jonathon M. Seidl (Jon) has been telling stories. In fact, he’s written over 10,000 posts in his lifetime, first after helping start the top-50 news site TheBlaze in 2010, then as the editor-in-chief of the popular non-profit I Am Second. He writes, speaks, and consults on the power of storytelling, radical vulnerability, faith, mental health, and addiction.
In 2024, he revealed his own struggle with alcohol, explaining how he was the Christian who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. His personal story—from spiraling into addiction to how he climbed out of it— is the focus of his next book, “Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic,” slated for release on October 7, 2025.

His previous book on anxiety, “Finding Rest,” instantly became a #1 Amazon bestseller, topping the charts in several categories like anxieties and phobias, mood disorders, and obsessive compulsive disorder. In fact, it shot up to become the #17 new release on all of Amazon and became a top 100 bestseller on all of Amazon as well.

Jon has seen how the power of storytelling and radical vulnerability can transform people, businesses, and culture, especially after sharing his own story of battling anxiety, OCD, and alcoholism. His passion is to help people with mental health struggles and addictions, while also sharing what he’s learned, telling stories for—and working with—some of the media’s biggest names and organizations, including Arthur Brooks, Glenn Beck, Kirk Cameron, and Chip and Joanna Gaines.

In addition to his writing, he consults businesses, leaders, and non-profits on how to tell their stories through his digital media and content creation firm, The Veritas Network, and runs a daily devotional called The Veritas Daily. He’s also currently finishing his master’s in theological studies from Southwestern Seminary (SWBTS) and will graduate in December 2025.

Originally from Wisconsin, he lives in Frisco, TX, with his wife, Brett, and his young children, Annie and Jack.
 

Today on Coaches’ Corner, we discuss burnout vs. autism burnout and the impact on neurodiverse marriage and family systems.

What is burnout, and how is it different than autism burnout?
When are neurodiverse couples most vulnerable?
When the autistic spouse is in burnout, the impact on the non-autistic.
Holidays are always a time that can bring on burnout- both positive and negative changes can bring about burnout.
 Resources mentioned:
Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle by Emily and Amelia Nagoski
 Blog:
https://embrace-autism.com/burnout-vs-autistic-burnout/
https://embrace-autism.com/preventing-audhd-burnout/
 Book:
https://embrace-autism-store.myshopify.com/products/the-ultimate-guide-to-autistic-burnout-e-book
 About Dr. Mona Kay:
Mona Kay, MSW, Ph.D., is the founder of the Neurodiverse Love community, the host of the Neurodiverse Love Podcast, and the creator of the Neurodiverse Love Conversation Cards. She was in a mixed-neurotype marriage for 30 years but didn’t discover this until her 29th year of marriage. Mona has been divorced since 2018, and her mission is to increase understanding and acceptance of the strengths, differences, and challenges in mixed-neurotype relationships.
 She hosted the first virtual “Neurodiverse Love Conference” in February 2023, and more than 350 people from around the world attended. In addition, she facilitates online support groups for mixed-neurotype couples and neurotypical/non-autistic partners and shares lots of valuable resources on her website at: www.neurodiverselove.com.

As we enter the Advent season, we pause to remember the beautiful rhythms God gives us through the four candles of Advent—Hope, Peace, Joy, and Love—all pointing us toward the final candle: the Light of Christ. In the weeks leading up to Christmas, we are invited to not only celebrate these truths but to practice them in our daily life, our relationships, and our marriages.
In this podcast, Dan and Stephanie will guide you through how each Advent theme can become a spiritual anchor for your heart and your neurodiverse marriage.
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Courses included:

• Struggling to Connect

• Autism & Neurobiology

• Autism Female Phenotype

• Marriage & Family 22 sessions

 Today, Dr. Holmes talks to Heidi and Robin about AVA: Autistic Voiceover Artists.
What if there were a place- a program- a community for autistic adults who want to use their voice talents in the voiceover industry? THERE IS! Have you thought about all the ways voiceover work is possible?
 About our Guests:
Heidi S. Hackney MS, PCC, Co-Founder
Certified Autism Coach, ICF Accredited Life Coach, Masters in Human Development
   Robin Brooke SAG-AFTRA, AEA, Co-Founder
Professional Voiceover Talent of 20+ Years. Established VO Instructor and Coach. AVA Program Director.
 How to contact:
https://autisticvoiceoverartists.org/

About the Program
Here at AVA, our mission is to empower autistic adults in the voiceover industry, redefine the creative community, and inspire positive change in the way society perceives and embraces neurodiversity.
 Please join us! Together, we can make voices heard, dreams realized, and a more inclusive world for all.
 Live classes led by voiceover professionals
Elevate your artistry with specialty workshops
Access voiceover video courses 24/7
A subscription program designed to work for you
 The program is affordable!

Today, Dr. Stephanie Holmes talks with Occupational Therapist, Kelly Mahler. The topic is interoception! Every neurotype can struggle with it, but we find neurodivergent folks can have a few more challenges with interoception.

Defined by Kelly’s website: Many people notice these feelings in their body with the help of an important sense… a sense called… interoception.
Don’t let the name fool you. The word interoception might not sound very sexy or important. But this sense is a really big deal. Interoception has a huge influence on many areas of our lives, like self-regulation, mental health, and social connection.
 About our Guest:
Kelly Mahler, OTD, OTR/L, earned a Doctorate in Occupational Therapy from Misericordia University, Dallas, PA. She has been an occupational therapist for 20 years, serving school-aged children and adults. Kelly is the winner of multiple awards, including the 2020 American Occupational Therapy Association Emerging and Innovative Practice Award & a Mom’s Choice Gold Medal. She is an adjunct faculty member at Elizabethtown College, Elizabethtown, PA as well as at Misericordia University, Dallas, PA. Kelly is a co-principal investigator in several research projects pertaining to topics such as interoception, self-regulation, trauma & autism.

In this holiday-themed episode of Just the Guys, the conversation centers on thankfulness—not as a sentimental add-on to Thanksgiving, but as a practical tool for navigating the chaos of family gatherings. Drawing from Dr. Jim Wilder’s teaching on appreciation as the spark that “turns on our relational circuits,” the guys explore how gratitude transforms not just moods but entire relationships.
 Greg admits that even when overstimulated, “I still made the turkey; it’s my job”—a wry reminder that responsibility and love can coexist with limits and self-awareness. Jeremy reflects on the sobering truth that “what you complain about today might be someone else’s answered prayer,” while Kevin shares how recovery and thankfulness helped him replace counterfeit joys with authentic connection. Dan rounds out the discussion with insights on starting the day with intentional gratitude as a way to short-circuit negativity before it starts.
 From Western novels as an escape hatch to unexpected hugs from kids, from box breathing to pecan pie, the guys trade stories of how thankfulness shows up in real life—sometimes messy, sometimes humorous, but always transformative. With family gatherings looming, they offer encouragement to embrace both the people you love and the people who stretch your patience, not as problems to solve but as relationships to nurture.
 The takeaway? Joy rarely arrives by accident—it’s cultivated, like Greg’s turkey, with intentional care.

 Today, Dr. Stephanie and Barb talk with Dr. Jill Corvelli about the ND Compass charting stages of relationship progression for ND couples.
Stages of Relationship Progression:

• Romance

• Power Struggle

• Stability

• Commitment

• Co-Creation

  About Our Guest:
Jill Corvelli, PhD, LPC, is the creator of ND Compass, a structured methodology designed to
support neurodiverse couples in relational healing. With over a decade of experience working
with hundreds of couples in thousands of sessions, she has developed a systematic approach that integrates Liberating Structures, Differentiation, and Somatic Self-Energy Activation into a phased, neuroaffirming therapeutic framework.

Originally developed to stabilize couples during the Power Struggle stage of relational
development, ND Compass has expanded to support couples across all five stages of relational growth.

Dr. Corvelli is a University Supervisor at Northwestern University’s Family Institute, where she
trains and mentors graduate-level clinicians. She is experienced in Internal Family Systems
(IFS), EMDR, and Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy (KAP), and has extensive experience
integrating neuroscience, somatic work, and relational models into therapy.
As a national trainer and consultant, she teaches therapists how to bridge the gap between relational stabilization and deeper inner differentiation work, ensuring that neurodiverse couples experience developmental growth in a way that is accessible, paced for their nervous systems, and structured to honor their unique lived experiences.

Couples Institute:
https://www.couplesinstitute.com/therapists-toolkit-for-neurodiverse-couples/?srsltid=AfmBOorpmFwzP_PTwfWel2FDkhyt83uX3mD94qGEseYBQxdEliisZmYi
 ND Compass:
https://www.ndpartnersinstitute.com/about

We are welcoming back Dr. Lehman with so much positive feedback about his first time on the show. Last show with Dr. Karl, we specifically spoke about the trauma from the perspective of the non-autistic woman married to an autistic man. Today, we shift the focus to potential traumas the autistic man may have, where simple feedback and simple emotions can trigger trauma in the autistic spouse, with a brief discussion on brain anatomy and how trauma develops and the differences in processing in the autistic brain. While we did not get enough time to go through all the steps of healing, we introduce that laying new circuits are possible and healing old trauma and wounds is possible!
 About Our Guest:
Dr. Karl Lehman is a board-certified psychiatrist with 35+ years of experience and more than 40,000 hours of clinical experience. He has worked tenaciously throughout his career to integrate his personal Christian faith with medical science, modern mental health care, and his rigorous scientific training. He has researched and worked to integrate faith-based emotional healing with insights from psychological and neurological research. Dr. Lehman is also deeply committed to his own growth and healing.
Dr. Lehman has been married to Charlotte for over 30 years, and they work as a team to apply everything they learn about growth and healing in the context of their marriage.
Author of Outsmarting Yourself and The Immanuel Approach.
 Podcast links from podcasts we mentioned about autistic brain neurology:
Pt 1 with Dr. Lehman
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/unresolved-trauma-s-impact-on-marriage-with-dr-karl-lehman–66548811
 Enemy Mode with Dr. Wilder
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/escaping-enemy-mode-with-dr-jim-wilder–52449734

Our guest was identified on the autism spectrum with the label he prefers, Asperger’s Syndrome, and began his identification journey of what it means to be on the spectrum. As we conclude this month’s focus on attachment, Michael shares from his book, Sacred Attachment, that discovering God’s love, affection, and delight in us was life-changing. Michael shares many insights, but leans in on his definition of humility and how it is key to attachment to oneself and others.
 About our Guest:
Michael John Cusick
Michael John Cusick is the CEO and founder of Restoring the Soul, an intensive counseling ministry in Denver. He is a licensed professional counselor, spiritual director, and former assistant professor of counseling at Colorado Christian University. Michael is the author of Surfing for God, and his articles have appeared in prominent publications such as Relevant, The Huffington Post, and Red Letter Christians. He and his wife, Julianne, have two grown children and live in Littleton, Colorado. You can find out more about Michael and his resources at: https://restoringthesoul.com/

Continuing this month’s topic on attachment and attunement, we have with us today the Life Model Works Executive Director, Marlene Allen. So many of our clients and listeners ask how I can have joy in pain or return to joy when things seem hopeless. Isn’t that like just being happy and faking it until you make it?
No!
Today, we talk about adversity, pain, and lament, and how they differ from complaining and venting, which are stuck in disgust or contempt. Lament is a release and offering, and complaining amplifies your pain and can blind you.
So join our discussion today to learn more about:

• Self-attunment

• Attunement to God and developing iSight, is Immanuel always with me?

• How does pain impact me?

• Lamenting vs Complaining

 About our Guest:
Marlene Allen currently serves as the Executive Director of Life Model Works. She is an author, teacher, mentor, networker, licensed minister, and joy-starter. She graduated from McNeese State University in her home state of Louisiana. Her passion for teaching spiritual principles to young people led to a forty-plus-year journey of serving in schools and churches. During her 16-year service as a missionary in Southeast Asia, Marlene was introduced to Life Model Works and finally found the language to articulate the value of joy that she carried within her.
 Before becoming executive director, Marlene was a relational practitioner and served on the Life Model Works Board of Directors. She firmly believes that Life Model Works’ relational tools will help us better represent the Lord on the Earth.
 Residing in Aurora, Colorado, Marlene is a mom to four amazing adults, Rachell, Victoria, Kia, and Moses, and is called ‘Momma Marlene’ by a host of others. She is the creator of Doodles at Relational Wholeness Doodles and the author of the children’s book Candlestick City, available on Amazon.

Life Model: https://lifemodelworks.org/neurotheology/
 Many of Dan & Stephanie’s courses use Life Model Books or ministry partners such as Deeper Walk or Thrive Works.
Chapter 5 of Uiquely Us relies on some of these principles!